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80% of Russia’s Coronavirus Aid to Italy ‘Useless’

80% of Russia’s Coronavirus Aid to Italy ‘Useless’

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  1. Russia also tried to take a diplomatic dump on Poland earlier when it claimed that Polish Air Traffic Control denied clearance for those relief flights. A lie as it turned out later.

    Everything to drive Europe apart…

  2. “Eighty percent of Russian supplies are totally useless or of little use to Italy. In short, this is little more than a pretext,” an unnamed source told La Stampa.

    The source said the Russian supplies consist of disinfection equipment, a field laboratory for sterilization and chemical prevention, and other similar tools.

  3. What are we gonna do with all these beets?!

  4. Is this source reliable?

  5. Russia sent 600 ventilators and 100 military virologists and epidemiologists. They sent disinfection equipment, a field laboratory for sterilization and chemical prevention, and other similar tools.

    Tell me how 600 ventilators and 100 personnel is “useless.” And if that’s useless then jeff bezos must be the most useless man on earth.

  6. Italy had 2000 respirators as of last week – Russia sent 600 more.

    Kind of begs the question what decent human being would refer to the rest (sanitation/diagnostic equipment) as useless.

  7. > Russia sent 600 ventilators and 100 military virologists and epidemiologists

    I wonder how many of the virologists and epidemiologists were useless.

  8. The article does not specify how the mentioned 800 ventilators and 100+ medical staff and sanitation equipment is useless. Is it defective or soviet era useless overstock? Anyone with knowledge elaborate please.

  9. In a time of such crisis, I’m glad this empty article that uses “an unknown source” is actually distracting enough for y’all to cry about “big bad Russia” again.

    Both Russian and Italian officials dismiss such claims but anonymous sources are just guaranteed to be the truth? Hmmm

    Edit: before I get screamed at for being some Russian bot. Yes, I believe Putin needs to get the fuck out of Ukraine and stop antagonizing Europe (including Eastern) too. But this is obviously propaganda. If it’s actually verifiable I’ll gladly come back and edit this post again because I don’t want to spread the “fake news”. But we need to be level headed and not blindly accept anything just because it demonizes our rivals.

  10. >The source said the Russian supplies consist of disinfection equipment, a field laboratory for sterilization and chemical prevention, and other similar tools.

    um… how is that useless?

  11. Another propaganda shiet by Russia ^^tm

    Russia’s deeds

    edit: below in [article format](https://medium.com/@cache_86525/russian-govt-and-putins-deeds-1c9de24b3526)

    – [Invasion of Georgia]( http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-appears-to-be-taking-georgias-land-inch-by-inch-2017-7)
    – [Doping all Russian athletes for every Olympic game]( https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/sports/olympics/ioc-russia-winter-olympics.html) and [Icarus]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoRdSTrR-4)
    – [Killing 300 passengers of MH17]( https://www.government.nl/topics/mh17-incident) and [GRU spies covering it up](https://www.thedailybeast.com/mh17-russia-deployed-its-trolls-to-cover-up-the-murder-of-298-people)
    – [Annexation of Crimea against Budapest Memorandum of 1994]( http://carnegieeurope.eu/2017/03/15/revisiting-2014-annexation-of-crimea-pub-68423)
    – [Invasion of Ukraine](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2016/11/20/international-criminal-court-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-is-a-crime-not-a-civil-war)
    – Assassination of Litvinenko and [others]( https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways)
    – [Attacks on U.S. elections]( https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/politics/the-intelligence-community-report-on-russian-activities-in-the-2016-election/2153/) and [ source 2]( https://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-russia-cybercrime/dutch-intelligence-agency-spied-on-russian-hacking-group-media-idUSKBN1FE34W) and [source 3]( https://www.apnews.com/ef3b036949174a9b98d785129a93428b) and [Muller report](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2019/images/04/18/mueller-report-searchable.pdf)
    – [Propaganda tubes Sputnik, RT]( https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/21/russian-propaganda-sputnik-reporter-215511) or [troll factories]( https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/europe/russia-troll-factory.html) and [Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhg-0Hiz3J8)
    – [Russia using illegal weapons in Syria and committing warcrimes against civilians]( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/25/russia-accused-war-crimes-syria-un-security-council-aleppo) and [bombing hospitals](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/05/30/syria-russia-bomb-hospitals-idlib-given-coordinates-hope-preventing/), [proof](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoepUsTgikI). [Russians torturing prisoners NSFW](https://www.funker530.com/prisoner-sledge-hammer/)
    – [Russia planting illegally a flag on the arctic floor against UNCLOS (as if it was 15 century)]( https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/aug/02/russia.arctic)
    – [Killing journalists left and right](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/10/africa/russian-journalists-car-ambush-intl/index.html) and [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_Russia) and [another list](https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/a-list-of-murdered-russian-journalists-that-moscow-says-it-didn-t-kill-1.6133887)
    – [Russia is friend with North Korea](http://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-helped-north-korea-build-bombs-could-start-world-war-iii-762587) [source 2](http://www.businessinsider.com/intelligence-sources-russia-helping-north-korea-evade-sanctions-2018-1?IR=T). [Russia helping NK Nuclear program](https://apnews.com/20afeea785634442b8300ba2fab0c002)
    – Shady [Bombing of 1999 that launched Putin’s career possibly planned by himself]( http://www.interpretermag.com/15-years-on-suspicions-about-putins-involvement-in-apartment-bombings-linger-in-russia)
    – [Russia attempt to assassinate Montenegro PM in 2016]( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/18/russias-deadly-plot-overthrow-montenegros-government-assassinating), [Poisoning of Yushchenko](https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-43611547/viktor-yushchenko-ukraine-s-ex-president-on-being-poisoned)
    – [Putin’s Panama papers](https://www.theguardian.com/news/2016/apr/03/panama-papers-money-hidden-offshore)
    – [Russia attacking US in Syria](http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/american-fury-the-truth-about-the-russian-deaths-in-syria-a-1196074.html)
    – [Russia violating airspace](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/military-aircraft-interventions-have-surged-top-gun-but-for-real) and [source 2](https://www.europeanleadershipnetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ELN-Russia-West-Full-List-of-Incidents.pdf) and [overAlaska](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/21/politics/russian-bombers-alaska-intercept/index.html)
    – [Nerve agent attack in UK](http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/uk-russia-nerve-agent-attack-spy-poisoning-sergei-skripal-salisbury-accusations-evidence-explanation-a8258911.html)
    – [Putin’s personal army](http://intersectionproject.eu/article/security/ominous-rise-russian-national-guard)
    – [2007 cyberattack on Estonia]( https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/27/10-years-after-the-landmark-attack-on-estonia-is-the-world-better-prepared-for-cyber-threats/)
    – [Penetration of U.S. nuclear plant command](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/15/us/politics/russia-cyberattacks.html)
    – [Russian war crimes against Chechens, LGBT](https://www.newsweek.com/human-rights-watch-chechnya-gay-rights-arrests-1419412)
    – [Russia had a stake in Scottish referendum 2014](https://medium.com/dfrlab/electionwatch-scottish-vote-pro-kremlin-trolls-f3cca45045bb)
    – [Russia has interfered in 19 countries’ elections]( https://americanmilitarynews.com/2018/01/russia-has-interfered-in-19-countries-elections-over-2-decades-report-finds/), [Source 2](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-us-has-been-meddling-in-other-countries-elections-for-a-century-it-doesnt-feel-good_us_57983b85e4b02d5d5ed382bd)
    – [Vote fraud and ballot box stuffing 2018](https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/claims-of-ballot-stuffing-taint-putins-victory-in-russian-elections-vnjphmbqz) and [Video](https://twitter.com/Gulay_Pole/status/975475543817760768)
    – [Facebook and Russia](https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/85p30j/deletefacebook_movement_gains_steam_after_50/dvz4y6o/)
    – [Russia and italy 3.3M bribe](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/matteo-salvini-russia-italy/)
    – [Danske Bank laundering Putin’s 230B USD](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the-danske-bank-money-laundering-scheme-involving-230-billion-unraveled-60-minutes-2019-05-19/)
    – [Cambridge Analytica, Russia money, US presidential election](https://www.channel4.com/news/exposed-undercover-secrets-of-donald-trump-data-firm-cambridge-analytica)
    – [Russia helped with Brexit](https://www.npr.org/2019/01/19/686830510/senate-finds-russian-bots-bucks-helped-push-brexit-vote-through) and [source 2](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/29/world/europe/russia-britain-brexit-arron-banks.html)
    – [Russia and Marie Le Pen](https://privacyinternational.org/examples/2796/le-pen-bank-loan-demonstrates-russian-methods-spreading-influence)
    – [Russia backed Ukrainian new comedian-president](https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-president-election-volodymyr-zelenskiy-1399563)
    – [Russia helping antivax](https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/study-russian-trolls-anti-vaccine/)
    – [Russia funding neonazis](https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/08/russia-is-co-opting-angry-young-men/568741/)
    – [Russia helping the BLM movement](https://slate.com/technology/2018/05/russian-trolls-are-obsessed-with-black-lives-matter.html)
    – [Russia funding Austrian far-right parties](https://www.politico.eu/article/sebastian-kurz-triggers-austrian-election-after-far-right-scandal/)
    – [Russia torturing prisoners](https://www.rferl.org/a/new-videos-reveal-more-evidence-of-torture-at-russian-prison/29814944.html)
    – [Assassinating a Georgian in Berlin](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50659179)


    – [Operation InfeKtion](https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo)
    – [Art of Fake War](https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo)
    – [20 years of Putin](https://youtu.be/V1sZ5er60DY)
    – [From Russia with hate](https://vimeo.com/55633560)
    – [Putin’s Way](http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/putins-way/)
    – [Inside Putin’s Russia](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-putins-russia)
    – [Putin’s Revenge, Pt. 1](http://www.pbs.org/video/putins-revenge-mzz1lp/)
    – [In Search of Putin’s Russia](http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/putin-russia/)
    – [Active measures](https://youtu.be/k1YnyCBeWLU)
    – [Foundations of Geopolitics – book from 1997]( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics) by Aleksandr Dugin.
    – Germany should be offered political dominance over Central Europe.
    – France should be encouraged to form a “Franco-German bloc”
    – The UK should be cut off from Europe
    – Finland should be absorbed into Russia
    – Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning
    – Poland should be granted a “slave status”
    – Russian-Islamic alliance [Russia–Syria–Iran–Iraq coalition](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Syria%E2%80%93Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_coalition)
    – Iran is a key ally.[Weapons deals]( https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2017/08/01/russia-and-iran-partner-up-as-the-us-turns-its-back)
    – Georgia should be dismantled
    – Create “geopolitical shocks” within Turkey (destroying US ties) [Buying russian missiles](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/05/erdogan-reiterates-call-create-working-group-russian-400-190529181318917.html)
    – China “must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled”
    – In the US, Russia should use its special services within the borders of the US to fuel instability and separatism (BLM, Trump, Alt-right, Unite the right event, America-First) [Russian document about it](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-documents-reveal-desire-sow-racial-discord-violence-u-s-n1008051)


    – [Human rights watch 2016](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2016/country-chapters/russia) , [2017](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/russia) and [2018](https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2018/country-chapters/russia)
    – [Freedom house Russia 2018](https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world/2018/russia)

  12. Let’s take stock of the facts here folks. This claim is not by the Italian government or any official Italian medical official involved in recieving aid, this claim comes from a politician that isn’t the biggest fan of Russia. He claimed this to to the sensationalist newspaper Lastampa (think Daily). Yesterday alone, Russia sent Italy 600 ventilators from it’s own stock to help Italy. Ventilators are currently in high demand around the world and Russia sacrifised 600 of it’s own supply to help another country. Whilst that may not be a lot, it means 600+ patients with immediate respitorary issues can get oxygen supply support and it can be beneficial to 1000’s more after they recover. I know anti Russian sentiment is popular here on Reddit and across the media, that’s fine but let us remember that regardless of our political differences, the average Russian has the same aspirations as we have in the West. When good is done, let’s just recognise and accept it. We don’t have to cheerlead negative sentiment against any positive action Russia has engaged towards us. We are pushing around the same fake news that we claim they are propagating. I was speaking to an African friend in Sierra Leone who was on the frontlines of the Ebola containment there and he talked about how the Russians supplied them with thousands of their Ebola vacine HPIV-3 vectored glycoprotein to help the fight among other Western players. The media wouldn’t want you to know that now will they because they want you to believe that everything Russia does is truly evil and the Russian populace have no compassion towards others. Take a deep breath everyone, it’s ok to simply thank Russia when they do good and equally ok to call them out when they do bad, not just one.

  13. -Russia gives 600 ventilators to Italy, 200 upvotes

    -Russia is bad says anonymous source, front page


  14. Tbh this is a really weak article.

  15. Ahhh yeah because the EU has done so much more to help Italy. The truth is, Russia sent help, a bunch of assheads got piases that their pride was hurt and are now claiming Russia is spying on Italy through the use of ventilators and hand sanitizer. They can’t even name their source lmao, because there is no source this was just a politically motivated option piece made to look factual

  16. That’s because Italian hospitals don’t have space for iron lungs.

  17. China & Russia need to go away.

  18. You’d think that the items are defective or something with this sensationalized headline, but no, it’s just an “anonymous source” to a newspaper being ungrateful for what was received, as if Italy wasn’t facing major shortages on medical supplies, and as if they didn’t have a use for 600 extra ventilators.

  19. I’m no fan of Russia, but any help is better then no help.

    Plenty of things to actually dislike about them.

  20. To be fair though, any help is better than no help whether the source is correct or not and if it has political intentions or not.

    Wish we had more tests here in Sweden as it’s mostly the tougher cases that get tested, rest told to stay home and self isolate/medicate.

  21. Well, 100% of the 20% is useful then.

  22. -Somebody sent stuff to somebody in need

    News: 80% of this is useless.

    Me: Maybe Russia is doing some political bullshit here, BUT they send stuff to help people and calling it 80% useless is a dumbass idea. Any help is help.

  23. During ethnic cleansing in Bosnia & Herzegovina, any of the USA aid was 100% useless, yet it got all the credit from IMF.

  24. I called when I first heard the news, and willing to bet it’s still the case that this was all a ploy to get some brownie points with Europe for their inevitable and terrible economic crash that’s just off the horizon.

  25. As much as I hate the current state of affairs in Russia, I hate unsubstantiated bullshit against my country. If the aid helped at least one person, it was worth sending it. The mere act of solidarity can make a difference, knowing that another nation across the globe cares as much as to set up such an operation. Honestly, isn’t this just Western media painting things black and white?

    — If the aid is from Russia, it’s bad and redundant and a political stunt.

    — If it’s Putin’s idea, it must be a deal with the devil”.

    and so on, and so on.

  26. What about the shipment was useless? It says they sent disinfection equipment, masks, ventilators, Mobile disinfection units, etc. seems pretty useful to me…

  27. This is how you get Russia to stop helping.

  28. Anyone remember when the US used to be the country that everyone looked to in times of crisis?

    We really fucked that one up, huh?

    No one asking us for help because we can’t get our own shit together.

    I recall when Trump claimed Obama hurt our world standing. Look where we are now….

  29. It’s Russia 80% of everything is useless, stop shitting on the effort. 80% of the help I get as American citizen is fucking useless or so complicated that it’s impossible to use.

  30. Wait, Russia allegedly provided 300 ventilators according to a known Russian propaganda outlet and now the reporting is double the amount but the equipment is unserviceable so this donation doesn’t help (Italy)?

  31. “…….It’s just AK’s and……. Vodka”

  32. Russia, durh? What did you expect?

  33. The russian bots never source their bullshit.

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