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Meeting between Mohawk leadership, Canadian minister was ‘a good start’ but protest remains | “This is our country. We are sovereign. We’ve taken away our permission to pass trains through our lands,” said Mohawk leader Tehonikonrathe

Meeting between Mohawk leadership, Canadian minister was ‘a good start’ but protest remains | “This is our country. We are sovereign. We’ve taken away our permission to pass trains through our lands,” said Mohawk leader Tehonikonrathe

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  1. From a cbc article today. – ( The president and CEO of the Canadian Propane Association said it’s just a matter of days before the Maritime provinces start to see a shortage.

    “This is an emergency. People have to understand that, and those that are protesting have to understand that there needs to be resumption of the services,” Nathalie St-Pierre said on Sunday. )

    Shortages of propane when it’s below freezing are not a mild inconvience as many supporters of this protest have been saying.

  2. For those out of the loop: the reason this is happening is because Coastal Gaslink is ignoring Canadian law by running a pipeline through unceded Wet’suwet’en land. [According to a 1997 legal decision called Delgamuukw, jurisdiction over unceded lands still belongs to the traditional leadership of those lands](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/delgamuukw-court-ruling-significance-1.5461763) – in this case, the hereditary matriarchs. Several elected band councils approved of the pipeline, but have no jurisdiction to do so under Canadian law; their jurisdiction is only over their particular reservations, because both the band council and the reservation systems were created by Canadian law. Delgamuukw reinforces this.

    The matriarchs are not hereditary in the traditional sense – rather, [a member of the clan is chosen by the rest of the clan, and they inherit a personal name along with their title](https://ricochet.media/en/2904/untangling-the-rule-of-law-in-the-coastal-gaslink-pipeline-standoff); sort of like being voted Queen Elizabeth. These matriarchs held a bahlat, or feast vote, with the rest of their clan, and they voted to oppose the pipeline.

    Members of indigenous nations all across Canada, including the Tyendinga Mohawk, are standing with the Wet’suwet’en people by blockading other infrastructure that was run through indigenous territory. It now threatens water security for [dozens of major municipalities](https://globalnews.ca/news/6553653/drinking-water-chlorine-rail-blockades/).

    EDIT: I have also found [http://www.wetsuweten.com/culture/](http://www.wetsuweten.com/culture/) very interesting and helpful in the last few hours!

  3. So I’ve gone looking for some info on this treaty and area. Here’s what I found to save others time. Hope for corrections where people see them.

    I *think* this falls under the [Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte First Nations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohawks_of_the_Bay_of_Quinte_First_Nation). Their [website ](http://mbq-tmt.org/)includes info and a statement which presumably reflects their opinions on things.

    Anyways it seems some copies of the original documents are [available online.](https://www.ontario.ca/page/map-ontario-treaties-and-reserves#treaties)

  4. >… they vow to keep their “roadblocks” in place “until the Wet’suwet’en people ask us to take them down,” said Mohawk leader Tehonikonrathe

  5. >“This is our country. We are sovereign. We’ve taken away our permission to pass trains through our lands,” he said.

    And then this gem:

    >The Mohawk leadership wanted to stress they aren’t blocking anything – but peacefully demonstrating and the decision to shut down rail service across the country came from Canadian National (CN).

    So which is it?

  6. So how do people protest? If this was something going on in Hong Kong y’all would be going ape shit saying fuck the government and supporting the protestors. But when it’s here it’s the opposite, don’t inconvenience people, don’t do this or that, so yeah fuck off and don’t be a hypocrite.

  7. Ironically, not even supporting the will of the Wet’suwet’en nation.

  8. That permission can’t be taken away, as the railroad right-of-way is private property (does not belong to the tribe). It’s a very reasonable request to ask the protestors to move out of the way (less than 100 feet) and allow the trains to keep moving.

  9. It’s called a breach of contract. They get paid for the use of the land for railroad. They’re opening themselves up to litigation. This isn’t going to go well for the first peoples if this continues. The public is turning against them and for what? So little kings and queens can go against the will of their people? To stop natural gas from being exported to countries trying to ween themselves off of burning coal and oil?

    Dumbest thing to take a stand on

  10. > **We are sovereign**

    Nope. Try again.

  11. They just want money. Full stop. The idea that natives are somehow gnomes in love with nature is **pure bullshit.**

  12. That´s ok.
    You deny services which pass through your land affecting everyone. That´s your right.

    Now, what about everyone else stops providing services to your land? Electricity? Nope. Gas? Nope. Fuel? Nope.

    I think I know who´s going to cave in first.

  13. As Canada proudly boasts it will squeeze out every last drop of oil and gas it has, leaving *none* of it in the ground where it needs to stay if the human race is to have any hope of surviving, a bunch of Highly Intelligent redditors argue about the intricacies of tribal vs. Canadian sovereignty and the merits of pipelines vs. oil trains.

    Shut the fuck up. These people blocking the trains are trying desperately to prevent humanity from shooting a bullet through its own head. They’re heroes and deserve unequivocal support.

  14. This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://aptnnews.ca/2020/02/16/meeting-between-mohawk-leadership-minister-was-a-good-start-but-protest-remains/) reduced by 89%. (I’m a bot)
    *****
    > Jamie PashgumskumAPTN NewsA meeting between Indigenous Services Minister Marc Miller and representatives of the Turtle, Wolf and Bear clans of the Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory took place as planned but the talks that lasted into the night didn't resolve the outstanding issues related to the protest that has shut down rail service in parts of Canada for nearly two weeks.

    > Miller said his next step is to talk with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to move quickly to resolve the current situation so they can make real progress with the relationship that Canada has with Indigenous peoples.

    > The protest near the Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory will stay in place and at the moment, no new talks are planned.

    *****
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  15. I don’t understand how this guy can be a Mohawk? Reddit told me all the protesters are white feminists from Vancouver.

  16. This is a necessary inconvenience. It is really not that bad, and as soon as RCMP leave so will they. People need to wake up to what the wet’suwet’en are saying. No means no.

  17. Canadian National is a corrupt fucking corporation. I despise them here in America. I hope they lose billions.

  18. i say we barricade them on their land then, dig up the roads and shut off the power. Disrespect our rule of law, then fine, leave. gtfo. byyyyeee. Get your own passport after you open an international passport office and you can come over here and pay tax on our toilet paper.

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