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Xi had early knowledge of coronavirus severity, speech shows

Xi had early knowledge of coronavirus severity, speech shows

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  1. > In the early days of the epidemic, which has been one of the biggest political challenges of Xi’s tenure, the president seemed to play a muted role, partly fuelling criticism of the government’s approach to the outbreak. But during a speech Xi delivered February 3, which was published by state media on Saturday, he said he gave instructions on fighting the virus as early as January 7.

    I don’t quite understand. Did people think he wasn’t aware on January 7th?

    China had reported the outbreak to the WHO on Jan 4th.

    The WHO tweeted the following on Jan 4th:

    > China has reported to WHO regarding a cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, Hubei Province.The Govt has also met with our country office,and updated @WHO on the situation. Govt actions to control the incident have been instituted and investigations into the cause are ongoing.

    https://twitter.com/WHOWPRO/status/1213331054313885702

  2. Wait till he gets it…would that be irony?

  3. Emperors have been killed for less.

  4. I honestly believe if it weren’t for Dr. Li Wuenliang, then we wouldn’t have found out about the severity of the virus nor as early as we did.

  5. Silence or not, China is actually implementing some completely crazy measures like blocking whole cities on quarantine. Dunno why western media overlooks it in every single article.

    I mean, just imagine your city being blocked, like, completely. London, New York, Paris, whatever. Just a complete quarantine with people being literally forced to stay at home. That’s insane, but probably that is the only thing keeping the virus from spreading. Compare it with some ordinary flu – 70k people is pretty much nothing

  6. What’s often overlooked is the (worldwide) small number of ICU equipped hospital beds available compared to the overall populations of cities. It’s gotta be some small percentage, but even if we look at just [CDC reporting on Influenza alone, it ends up infecting around 10% of the US population annually](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html). Covid-19 is twice as contagious as seasonal influenza; the [R-value of Coronavirus is 2.2-2.5 at the moment and may go higher based on incoming data](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/researchers-say-the-coronavirus-may-be-more-contagious-than-current-data-shows.html) and [“The median R value for seasonal influenza was 1.28 (IQR: 1.19-1.37)”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25186370). A significant number of people will need to be hospitalized; [15% contract pneumonia and 3-5% require intensive care] (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/10/coronaviruslatestupdates.html). If we took 20% (double influenza infections) of the population of the USA (328,000,000) at 65,600,000 and 15% of them need to be hospitalized to survive the virus, then that is still 9,840,000 people. At most 5% (out of total infected) need ICU service to survive; 3,280,000 people. [There are only 94,837 ICU beds in the US](https://www.sccm.org/Communications/Critical-Care-Statistics) and they cannot all be used for one disease. Even a 12th (monthly) of that number at 273,333 people is far too many.

    Not to mention the outrageous costs that American families would incur from an ICU visit due to the healthcare system in the US. Let alone the sheer availability of ICUs in most other less wealthy countries.

    There are some people suggesting that the R-value of Covid-19 should go down because after the winter season. The minimum time it takes to show symptoms for Covid-19 is 2 days; some say 24 days. And it spreads throughout that entire incubation period. So you can easily pass it on without knowing that you have it.

    Contrast that with Influenza:

    [“Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days)  after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.”](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm)

    1-4 days VS 2-24 days. Which will be more likely to spread?

    [The median incubation days for Covid-19 is 5.2 days and the mean incubation of Influenza is 2 days. ](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/)

    That’s more than double the incubation time and suggests that the R-values for Covid-19 should go higher rather than lower.

    Not to mention the [possibility that Covid-19](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197) is beginning to mutate, which means that you can get reinfected with a Covid-19 variant even if you do beat it the first time. And it [could take 6+ years for development of a vaccine.](https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/8qMDseJTE3vCFiYec/how-long-does-it-take-to-research-and-develop-a-new-vaccine#en8)

  7. Let’s put the risk of dying by Coronavirus in perspective since there are so many misunderstandings about its connection to the influenza virus.

    [The CDC states that the death burden of influenza is roughly 61,000/45,000,000 infections.](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html) The fatality percentage of influenza is 0.13%.

    The death burden of the Covid-19 is around [2% at the moment](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/) but may [go up as SARS did after 2003](http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2003/05/estimates-sars-death-rates-revised-upward)

    Let’s do some quick math to determine how much more deadly, at a minimum, Covid-19 is compared to influenza virus.

    0.02/0.0013= 15.[3846153846](tel:3846153846)

    At a minimum, Coronavirus is **15.4 times** deadlier than the Influenza Virus and twice as contagious; [R-value of Coronavirus is 2.2-2.5 at the moment and may go higher based on incoming data](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/researchers-say-the-coronavirus-may-be-more-contagious-than-current-data-shows.html) and [“The median R value for seasonal influenza was 1.28 (IQR: 1.19-1.37)”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25186370)

    Let’s stop pretending that it is the equivalent of a common cold. It is a serious disease that spreads easily and often without symptoms.

    Let’s also put an end to the idea that the mortality rate should go down because “there are many more undiagnosed people unaccounted for”. By the same logic, there are also many more Covid-19 deaths unaccounted for. And [China is controlling the WHO numbers that get reported](https://youtu.be/G5VGPYtbTk8). China is also known to severely under report deaths of even influenza because of “pre-existing medical conditions” or pneumonia.They have been doing the same with Covid-19.

    There are some people suggesting that the R-value of Covid-19 should go down because after the winter season. The minimum time it takes to show symptoms for Covid-19 is 2 days; some say 24 days. And it spreads throughout that entire incubation period. So you can easily pass it on without knowing that you have it.

    Contrast that with Influenza:

    [“Symptoms can begin about 2 days (but can range from 1 to 4 days)  after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those people may still spread the virus to others.”](https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm)

    1-4 days VS 2-24 days. Which will be more likely to spread?

    [The median incubation days for Covid-19 is 5.2 days and the mean incubation of Influenza is 2 days. ](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-incubation-period/)

    That’s more than double the incubation time and suggests that the R-values for Covid-19 should go higher rather than lower.

    Not to mention the [possibility that Covid-19](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197) is beginning to mutate, which means that you can get reinfected with a Covid-19 variant even if you do beat it the first time. And it [could take 6+ years for development of a vaccine.](https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/8qMDseJTE3vCFiYec/how-long-does-it-take-to-research-and-develop-a-new-vaccine#en8)

  8. A lot of people don’t see the big big picture. The modern CCP is dragging the whole world down a very dark road.

    After years of multi-laterism, with Western powers building institutions and organisations like the UN, the World Health Organisation and pushing for democracy / global standards on human rights, China is now trying to unpick it all for their own advantage.

    China is actively subverting democracies around the world – especially Taiwan and Hong Kong, which are most likely preludes to how it will treat other countries in the future. The CCP are expansionist; they are trying to steal territory left right and centre (from ‘disputed’ regions with its neighbours, to the South China Sea, Tibet, Taiwan, the Arctic and even space). They are trying to expand their sphere of power and influence outwards, appeasing them by giving them Taiwan or the South China Sea will most likely have no better results than it did with a certain German leader.

    For anyone who would say that comparing the CCP to the Nazis is crude and contrived, you need only look to the facts. The CCP achieved power through civil war, they refuse their own people political alternatives or decision-making power, they are expansionist and they are actively attacking freedom of information / human rights around the world, they are oppressing their own people (stifling religious, political and even intellectual freedom / expression), and they are trying to export their lowest common denominator, free for all policy abroad by flirting with every dictatorship they can, who they have no moral qualms about endorsing or empowering.

    That is the true face of the CCP, they are undermining efforts to hold any country anywhere to any standard, because they would rather pump money into unaccountable dictatorships, regardless of what wrongs or atrocities they might be committing, than lose face and embrace democracy. The CCP believe in unaccountable, top down power, as long as they can be at the head of the table they don’t care if we all one day live in a world populated by cruel and arbitrary authoritarian regimes that operate as open-air prisons. They would prefer it if each of those regimes imported Chinese surveillance technology and acted as information silos, with limited access to outside information (that might hold the regimes to account) and no rights to criticise the government or explore political alternatives.

    The Chinese government is actively subverting the UN charter of human rights by trying to create its own version, arguing that social stability (as defined and dictated by the government) is the most fundamental human right. In other words, as long as the government is, very broadly speaking, providing some form of stability, any other human right is secondary, and can be violated in pursuit of ‘stability’. China is now trying to sell this version of human rights around the world to justify the kinds of practices you see at home, in Hong Kong etc. etc.

    I hope the experience of the coronavirus is a wake up call for the Chinese people, because the good people of Wuhan have been Xinjianged – they have been put on lock down, dragged out of their homes and forced into shoddy temporary quarantine sites that don’t have sufficient medical resources, and when they have tried to speak up they have been drowned out by the states propoganda and censorship. The government has actively killed as many people as it has saved due to its heavy-handed miscalculations and its inability to show efficacy without resorting to unnecessary force.

    Again, please don’t buy products from China where it can be avoided, the country has been enriched by positive foreign business relations and engagement in recent decades, and instead of responding in kind (opening up, becoming more democratic) the CCP have been betraying and trying to manipulate the rest of the world ever since. They have tried to punch a whole in the world economy by systematically stealing foreign technology, subsidising their own companies in a way that does not respect WTO rules and denying foreign companies fair access to their own markets. Economically empowering modern China is empowering the CCP, and they have shown themselves to be bad actors in almost every conceivable way. We should not be buying the future the CCP want to foist on us, we shouldn’t be rewarding them economically (and politically) while they are actively subverting all democracy, human rights, trust in politics and freedom around the world. We should not be paying them or letting them off the hook for making our world a worse place for us and future generations just because their products are relatively cheap (they are cheap because they lie, cheat and steal, and will continue to do so).

    The intellectual in this article is waiting for his fellow Chinese to wake up, but we all need to wake up because this rabbit hole goes very deep.

  9. [Open Letter to the WHO about Taiwan](https://youtu.be/ztVS4eVGQWw)

    Over the past few days, more and more figures in Taiwan such as 阿滴英文 Ray and 吳鳳 Rifat have been stepping out as proponents of the WHO considering inclusion of Taiwan into the World Health Organization amid the threat of the 2019 novel coronavirus epidemic. Seeing these pleas has motivated me to do my part.

    This is my open letter to the World Health Organization about including Taiwan as a member or observer. Why should Taiwan be included in the WHO and WHA?

  10. coronavirus is much worse than predicted

    [https://coronavirus.john-coene.com/#/tracker](https://coronavirus.john-coene.com/#/tracker)

    [https://shiny.john-coene.com/coronavirus/](https://shiny.john-coene.com/coronavirus/)

    ​

    [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z7VQ5xlf3BaTx_LBBblsW4hLoGYWnZyog3jqsS9Dbgc/htmlview?sle=true#](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z7VQ5xlf3BaTx_LBBblsW4hLoGYWnZyog3jqsS9Dbgc/htmlview?sle=true#)

  11. But he and his government lied about it like they always do because that’s what authoritarian regimes do.

  12. I’m not saying this is true but it’s something to think about… China has invested heavily into biotech, and they have a problem with an aging population because of the one child rule. The virus primarily kills aging populations.

    Could this be an engineered virus? Could they be trying to fix their population issues?

  13. If you can’t trust 11, who can you trust? This has shaken my faith in the totalitarian government that has it’s boot on the citizens of China, TW and HK(yep, listen them as the autonomous regions they are, not as “China”).

    For real though. Anyone actually surprised by this what so ever? Cool to get confirmation I guess but at this point who really cares what he did/did not know? He won’t see any repercussions as a result. Let’s use this energy to achieve something real instead. Our lives may depend on it.

  14. China lies? Shocker! Did not except this…

  15. If things continue to get worse, expect the CCP to put Xi on trial for ‘corruption’ and replace his administration with a bunch of new faces.

    I think a lot of people don’t understand Xi does not entirely ‘run’ the party and could be taken out.

  16. It was being reported before Christmas I think, but it was being reported in regards to the Hong Kong protests. I can remember reading something about a mystery illness that was like a flu, and it seemed to strike fear very early on.

  17. Poo bear don’t care, mao mentality

  18. Dictatorships are not piss poor at reacting to these kinds of emergencies. The chain of command from the local government all the way to Xi is made up of sycophants who hide the truth to avoid losing their jobs.

  19. well pooh did buy the wu flu from that harvard guy

  20. If it was a new type of swine flu, you could argue that Piglet told him about it.

  21. Good old China – never let the facts get in the way of anything…

    And there is never any need to tell the truth!

  22. The fact that the Chinese government has in place some of the most advanced CCTV infrastructure and technology for monitoring of its citizens and knew this disease was spreading, then let it happen anyway and allowed it’s diseased citizens to travel globally whilst knowing what the impact would be upon the world and society, should be considered an act of biological terrorism and a declaration of war towards every other nation on this planet. China needs dealt with appropriately and the UN should have something to say about this. I’m amazed this is not a topic that has been raised yet.

  23. Could have , should have , would have. It’s too late now.

  24. If anything. This epidemic shows WHO needs some house cleaning.

  25. I am still amazed at the pervasive ignorance of mask wearers.
    A simple search shows the preventative value to be 0
    It is best used by infected (sick) patients and those health workers caring for them.

    But it does show everyone how scared and stupid we are!

  26. Reasons for his earlier silence is not known!

  27. What even is this story? Of course the head of state was informed about a developing crisis. Breaking News! Donald Trump aware of hurricane!

  28. Xi doesn’t appear to be one of those “cruel but sharp and ruthlessly efficient” dictators, does he?

  29. No shit, how is this news? Most intelligent people knew at least on some level, how severe this was going to be. Why is it a question, in one of the most nazi-like authoritarian states, if the supreme ruler knows what’s going on in his country? Why make the excuses?

  30. Xi Jeinpene is our leader, he make no mistake. This is official statement of Chinese Military Wuhan Detatchment Unit. Checking Out, General Tsao

  31. oh no he shouldnt have known dou you want a leader that knows? puh better an ignorant leader Trump and Obama would done better they would prevented the virus in first place with like not eating unicorns

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